Nisargadatta Maharaj:
Int: Quienquiera que sea, el morador tiene el control del cuerpo y por lo tanto es responsable de él.
Mah: Hay un poder universal que controla y es responsable.
Int: ¿Así pues, puedo hacer lo que quiera y echar la culpa a algún poder universal? ¡Qué fácil!
Mah: Sí, muy fácil. Dése usted cuenta del Movedor Único detrás de todo lo que se mueve y déjelo todo a Él. Si usted no vacila, ni hace trampa, ésta es la vía más corta a la realidad. Permanezca sin deseo ni temor, abandonando todo control y toda responsabilidad.
Int: ¡Qué locura!
Mah: Sí, locura divina. ¿Qué hay de malo en dejar que se vaya la ilusión del control y de la responsabilidad personal? Ambos están solo en la mente. Por supuesto, mientras usted se imagine que es usted mismo quien controla, usted debe imaginar también que es usted mismo el responsable. Lo uno implica lo otro.
Jesús:
Nadie puede servir a dos señores; porque o aborrecerá a uno y amará al otro, o se apegará a uno y despreciará al otro. No podéis servir a Dios y a las riquezas. Por eso os digo, no os preocupéis por vuestra vida, qué comeréis o qué beberéis; ni por vuestro cuerpo, qué vestiréis. ¿No es la vida más que el alimento y el cuerpo más que la ropa? Mirad las aves del cielo, que no siembran, ni siegan, ni recogen en graneros, y sin embargo, vuestro Padre celestial las alimenta. ¿No sois vosotros de mucho más valor que ellas? ¿Y quién de vosotros, por ansioso que esté, puede añadir una hora al curso de su vida? Y por la ropa, ¿por qué os preocupáis? Observad cómo crecen los lirios del campo; no trabajan, ni hilan; pero os digo que ni Salomón en toda su gloria se vistió como uno de éstos. Y si Dios viste así la hierba del campo, que hoy es y mañana es echada al horno, ¿no hará mucho más por vosotros, hombres de poca fe? Por tanto, no os preocupéis, diciendo: ``¿Qué comeremos? o ``¿qué beberemos? o ``¿con qué nos vestiremos? Porque los gentiles buscan ansiosamente todas estas cosas; que vuestro Padre celestial sabe que necesitáis de todas estas cosas. Pero buscad primero su reino y su justicia, y todas estas cosas os serán añadidas. Por tanto, no os preocupéis por el día de mañana; porque el día de mañana se cuidará de sí mismo. Bástele a cada día sus propios problemas.
Krishnamurti:
The next question is, control: from childhood we are trained, educated to control, to suppress, or the other extreme, which is what is happening now - do what you like, do your thing! Which is the opposite of the other. So one must understand the whole movement of control. Is there a way of living - please listen to this - is there a way of living without any form of control? Which doesn't mean doing what you like, either permissiveness or the other, indulgence. Is there a way of living - please enquire into this, perhaps this is something new to you - in which there is not a shadow of control? So to find that out one has to ask: who is the controller? Right? We are enquiring into what is meditation, because perhaps if one can understand the nature of meditation, not the meaning of the word, the meaning of the word is very simple - to ponder, to think over, to enquire and so on, so on - but apart from the word, to find out what is meditation. It may, in this enquiry, resolve, bring about a life which is extraordinarily sane, extraordinarily rational, and may be able to find out something that is nameless, timeless. We are leading to that.
So who is the controller who says, 'I must control my feelings,' or 'I must allow my feelings to flow' and so on, who is that entity that says, 'I must control'? You understand? Control and the controlled. The controller and the thing to be controlled. So there is a division. Who is this controller? Is it not still the movement of thought? Thought has said - please follow this - thought has said, 'I have experienced this, I have learned this' - all the rest of it, which is the past, so the past is the controller. Right? And that which is happening now has to be controlled by the controller. Right? You understand? Are you following all this? Or you are just going to sleep? (Laughter)
Questioner: Following.
Krishnamurti: Actually doing it sir. I am not talking for my benefit. Right? I have talked for fifty two years - 'basta' for me. I am not interested in talking. But I am interested to find out if you can also discover the same thing so that your own life will be totally different, transformed, so that you have no problems, no complexities, no strife, longings, all the rest of it. That is the reason the speaker is talking, not for his own gratification, not for his own enjoyment, not for his own fulfilment - all that nonsense.
So the controller is the result of thought, thought based upon knowledge, which is the past. And that thought says, 'I must control that which is happening now' - right? The actual. The actual is being, say for example, envy or jealousy, which you all know. And thought says, 'I must control. I must analyse. I must suppress it, or fulfil it'. So there is a division - right? - the division created by thought. Are you following? So in this there is deception. Right? The deception lies in the idea that the controller is different from that which is to be controlled. Both are created by thought. Right? So the controller is the controlled. I wonder if you see this. Right? So if you really understand this, go into this very seriously for yourself, you will see that the controller is unnecessary, only observation is necessary. You understand? When you observe, there is no controller or the controlled, just observing. Observing your envy, say for example, envy, observe it, without naming it, without denying it or accepting it, just to see, the sensation, this reaction, which arises, which has been called envy, and to look at it without the word. You are following all this?
Then when there is no word, because the word represents the past - you are following all this? - and when you use the word 'envy' it strengthens the past. Right? So there is a possibility of living without any sense of control. I am saying this not as a theory but actually. The speaker says what he has done, not what he invents, that there is a life without any sense of control and therefore no sense of conflict, no sense of division. That can only come into being when there is only pure observation. Got it? Do it and you will see. Do it! Test it out.
(Conferencia pública Saanen, 1979)
